Sunday, October 15, 2006

GROOMING THE GOLDENDOODLE

Gracie the Goldendoodle

Meet Gracie! She's a young Goldendoodle, 7-8 months old, that I have groomed three times now, on a four-week basis. Gracie is smart, eager, and just a little silly. The silliest thing she does is to flop around in the bath water. What a clown! I can honestly say that in 35 years of grooming, I've never had a dog choose to flop around in the tub like this!
Gracie's owner is very good about keeping her coat combed out between groomings. She has not had more than one or two small tangles. She sought out professional grooming when Gracie was only five months old in order to keep the coat manageable. Very smart move, if I may say so!

I was not the least bit offended when this Goldendoodle owner made it ver
y clear to me that they did not want Gracie to look "poodley." I think it is common for the public to associate groomers with poodle grooming and expect that we might apply that look to the Goldendoodle. I assured her that I could lose the poodle look.

AVOIDING THE POODLE LOOK
So what is it that the public sees as "poodley"? Good question. There are a fe
w styling elements associated with poodle grooming that I can identify.
  • Cutting a "top knot" across the tops of the ears. Leaving it tall and rounding the crown.
  • Clean feet with beveled legs.
  • Clipping a clean face, no whiskers, or shaped donut beard.
  • Shorter body, full (often puffy) legs.
  • Coat is dried so as to remove curl.
  • Legs or whole coat is scissored plush, with obvious sculpting.
  • Hair at the base of the tail is clipped, with a band around the tail.
Here is what I arrived at for Gracie.

Goldendoodle Grooming

STYLING SPECIFICS:
Bath - Gracie was bathed before any combing or brushing. We have a Bathing Beauty recirculating bathing system and used Eqyss Premier Shampoo, followed by a rinse of Chris Christensen After Bath Rinse with a squirt of Ice on Ice added. The addition of the silicone detangler results in light conditioning with minimal "weigh down" and maximum combability.
It also delivers good protection against damage from combing and brushing.
Drying - Gracie was air dried in an exercise pens with fan and Sahara Turbo dryer. This leaves the coat light and wavy, but does not set in any tangles.
Comb-out - I used a Chris Christensen 16mm "T" style pin brush and a CC Poodle comb. No slicker brush was used. I am in the process of re-evaluating the use of slicker brushes and the possibility that this tool might contribute to matting because of damage caused to the hair cuticle, which makes the surface of the hair shaft more rough and barbed. The 16mm pin brush is remarkable at being able to work through thick and even tangled coat, and the pins are ground and polished.
Trimming - I used a Wahl 1-inch snap-on comb to trim the coat all over. Next time I may skip the legs, just to give the overall appearance a less trimmed look. At the elbows and hocks, I used a blending shear to take off hair without looking scissored. A favorite blender for this type of work is the Arius-Eickert Coqui Blender. An expensive tool ($175), but it makes it easy to achieve a natural "unscissored" look with very little effort.

  • Head - Gracie's owner requested that we allow the top of the head (crown) to have a little more height, so I did not touch it this time. I blended the back of the head into the neck with the blending shears, and ran the snap-on comb over the sides of the face to prevent a bulgy look. There is no separation over the top of the ears.
  • Feet - These are what I call "Teddy Bear Feet", trimmed with the AE Cogui Blender. The pads of the feet were cleaned up with a Wahl Peanut trimmer, now called the "Tid Bit."
  • Here is a close-up of the feet.
Goldendoodle Feet
SUMMARY
Although there is no established breed standard for the Goldendoodle that would give a reference for styling preferences, there is a look that seems to be popular with many Goldendoodle owners and breeders. This is an informal, somewhat shaggy and untrimmed look. Even though the groomer is shortening and trimming the coat, most owners prefer to not reflect poodle styling elements. When it comes to grooming, the Goldendoodle is a great example of when "less is more". Happy grooming!


ADDEDUM: HOME MAINTENANCE - Maintenance of a Goldendoodle or a Labradoodle with any real length of coat requires regular brushing and combing. The two tools that
    I recommend are the Chris Christensen 16-mm T-Brush, and a PSI Wood Handle Poodle Comb. The rounded tips of the widely spaced pins on both these tools are less likely to break and damage coat than are slicker brushes and fine-tooth combs. Both of these can be purchased in my shopping cart here.

    UPDATE 1/12/2011
    Hi Doodle fans! I thought I'd add a few more pictures to this article. I'm so impressed with the comments and response.

    Gracie, our original model, has been joined by George. George has a more curly "poodley" coat that is a bit more of a challenge to maintain. Fortunately they both come in monthly.

    Since getting a second dog, the owners have had me take the coats a bit shorter. I don't leave as much on the legs, often taking them down with an "A" comb or an "0".

    Yes, the coat is left rather curly. While this is less acceptable for Poodle grooming, it is desired by many Goldendoodle owners.



    This is "Cowboy" Rosenberg. We love his name! Cowboy is a very large Doodle. Fortunately, he is very cooperative and jumps into the tub on command, on hops up on the table with just a gesture. He gets a shorter face. Once we tried giving Gracie eyebrows. We didn't like it so much, but you might! We also tried giving her a Portugese Water Dog style head. That didn't work out because of the length of her muzzle.


    These handsome dogs were groomed at Transformation Pet Center, Tucson, Arizona. We're located in mid-town, the little place with the big heart. Owner Barbara Bird, CMG, has been grooming for 40 years.

    52 comments:

    1. Hi. Very nice grooming on a Goldendoodle! I hope you share your tips with lots of other groomers.

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    2. That is fabulous!! You have got it right on. Doodle lovers everywhere thank you :-)

      Maggie's Mom

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    3. THANK YOU! As a goldendoodle owner, I wish every groomer would read your well-thought out comments and see these pictures. Awesome job! Sure wish you lived in my town.

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    4. Love the Goldiedoo groom. I am a groomer and I have several Goldiedoo clients. Thanks for sharing. would love to share my pics with you of the different grooms that are requested from the owners.

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    5. Great groom and advice. i am grooming my first goldendoodle and your advice is very useful. thanks for sahring. wonderful groom.

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    6. What great instruction and pictures! Thank you! I have printed one of your pictures to take with me next week when I get my 9-month old Goldendoodle groomed for the first time. Thank you for sharing.

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    7. Thnak you, I have been trying to get my grommers to stop giving my Goldedoolde a Poodle look...printing this out and giving it to them will help.
      Thanks,
      Alan Griffin
      Silver Spring, MD

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    8. My doodle has a tight curly coat and I am finding it hard to get my groomer to rid the poodle head. Is there anything specific I can tell him to do?

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    9. Unfortunately, some groomers seem to have Poodle genes, or something going on, so that everything on their table comes out looking poodley. You might try asking that they use a large snap-on comb, such as a Laube B comb, and go over the head, blending into the tops of the ears. A big part of the Poodle head is the cutting straight across over the tops of the ears. Ask them NOT to do this.

      You might think of gifting your groomer with a set of snap-on combs. Maybe bribery will work! The most coveted snap-ons of the moment are the Wahl metal combs.

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    10. I am glad to have found this, I am about to get a Goldenddodle puppy and even though I know I am not supposed to groom them for the first few months I cannot help thinking and worrying about it

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    11. Eek! "Not supposed to groom" your dog for months? I would encourage you to re-evaluate this advice. Clearly, whoever told you this is not going by the same definition of "grooming" as I am. Most likely they are expecting brushing and combing but perhaps discouraging trimming or clipping.

      I started professionally grooming the Doodle in this article at about 5 months old. Although the owner was doing an outstanding job of brushing the coat, she needed coaching and some different tools.
      If we had not done some trimming at about 6 months old, this dog's coat would have been troublesome. The trimming as per the article has helped he owner succeed in maintaining a lovely "natural" looking Goldendoodle. There was a period about 9-11 months of age where I took Gracie a bit shorter while she went through transition to her adult coat. I still used a snap-on comb, size 0.

      What you need to worry about is your brushing/combing ability. I highly recommend a Chris Christensen 16mm "T" brush and a wide tooth "poodle" comb, or at least a coarse/medium greyhound style comb. Mist as you brush with a leave-in conditioner to protect the coat and release static cling.

      The only way a groomer can use a snap-on comb on a Doodle and create a natural, but manageable style, is if there are no tangles. Any tangling or matting of the hair causes the comb attachments on the clippers to jam up and they won't go through.

      One key to successful comb-out is to start and the feet and work up the legs in layers, always combing into your already combed part. Then work from the tail forward. Brush first, then comb each section.

      That's all for tonight...
      Happy Grooming,
      BBird

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      1. These goldendoodles look like they are double doodles
        My puppy isn't that kinky. .

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    12. As a professional pet stylist, it's hard to understand what some doodle owners expect. We are not mind readers and we battle misinformation given to the owners. Example: that the breed doesn't need much grooming. I agree with you - Yikes!! The opposite is true. Proper brushing and bathing is key. I just read an article on a goldendoodle website that says NOT to use premium shampoos and conditioners. The author recommended baby shampoo or Pantene with a vinegar and water mix as a rinse. Babyshampoo is the most damaging to coat as the pH is off and is drying to skin and coat.The exact opposite of what is needed to maintain the doodle coat. We need to educate our doodle owners so they can have that long flowing coat(that isn't 2 inches thick with undercoat mats).

      My doodle research started because our local grooming association is giving a seminar on doodle grooming and I have been volunteered to teach the seminar. I am horrified by the information (and misinformation)given to doodle owners. I also got the impression that a lot of the websites and breeders are Anti-Professional Groomers. We do the best we can with what we are given. Thank you for posting common sense instructions.

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    13. Thanks for posting your comment. We are basically on the same page, and I think it is very unfortunate that a breeder would urge Goldendoodle owners to not use high quality products formulated for pet hair. I have to disagree, however, with your statement that "Baby shampoo is the most damaging to coat as the pH is off and is drying to skin and coat." This is a myth. The pH of most baby shampoos is 6.0-6.5, which is exactly the recommended pH for pet shampoos.

      To make sure things had not changed since I wrote my book (see below), I tested two products just now at Albertson's supermarket. Huggies regular formula tested at 6.0 and the house brand, Baby Basics, tested at 6.5 pH. Yes, I waited until no one was in the aisle and quickly whipped out my chem lab pH strip and opened two bottles for a consumer preview. Other people just smell the products... :-)

      PH itself is not a drying factor, and the lower pH (slightly more acidic) of adult human shampoos is not going to dry hair or skin. Higher (alkaline) solutions can be
      more irritating, but we would have to look at hair dyes or permanent wave solutions to find something excessively alkaline. Drying out of the hair is more likely to happen with degreasing or harsh detergent formulas (as found in some pet shampoos or dish detergents). The more of the natural oils that are stripped from the coat, the more drying the shampoo.

      IMHO, the drawback to baby shampoo is that it is too mild to adequately clean most dogs. Although there may be individual dogs for which a baby shampoo works, I don't see that being a GD.

      What causes me concern about the baby shampoo/vinegar rinse is neither the shampoo nor the vinegar rinse, which can be a great acidifier on dog hair. What would make me cringe is the lack of conditioner. Because of the combination of hair types and the fuzzy undercoat, most GD's need good conditioning to prevent matting.

      BBird,
      Author "Beyond Suds & Scent - Understanding Pet Shampoos & Conditioners. Available at bbird.biz

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    14. You did a great job on Gracie! We recently adopted a super goldendoodle named Max. He is now 11 weeks old and I would like to know what is the proper age to start with professional grooming. I have already bathed him once a week and have done what I think to be a decent job brushing him, but I want this done by a professional as soon as it is proper. We live in North Georgia and would like to know if you can recommend a good groomer here.

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    15. I was just wondering --- If you had a VERY matted doodle -- that had a coat more like a poodle than a golden - (F1) -- and you lived in south carolina -- would you go ahead and shave him down once to 'clean' him up...??

      Or can a professional groomer get Mattes out unlike us amatuers?

      Also -- it will be his first shaving -- he still has his puppy coat. Wil his puppy coat be different from the next coat that grows in?

      THANKS!

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    16. Jim, it's Shaving Time, regardless of where you live. Once a coat is "very matted" it is not worth the effort and money it would cost to save the coat. First of all, it can be rough on the dog and on the groomer. Your dog has many more groomings ahead, there is no hair worth souring his/her attitude toward grooming. Also, my experience has been that even a master dematter like myself will do so much coat damage in breaking apart matting that the coat will mat easier more profusely after an extensive dematting. The clip down is inevitable, you might buy some time, but for what? Do it now and save the dog and groomer.

      Many doodles go through this. It is due to the mixed nature of the coat, which is a challenge to maintain in many individual dogs, especially when they are transitioning between puppy and adult coat. You will get the adult coat when it grows back in.

      When I have to clip down, I like to wet clip, which often enables me to use a bigger blade and leave more length. I think I will repost your question on my other blog, AskBBird.blogspot.com and share a picture of "Cowboy" a goldendoodle that I clipped down five weeks ago. He doesn't look too bad.

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    17. My Goldendoodle is 6 months old
      I gave him a grooming job, but I didnt like the looks of it, as a matter of fact I was really disepointed. He looked so nice and
      cute before, probabley I dint explain my self clearly to my groomer.
      My question is how long will it take to grow? to a reasonable size
      so he gets is cute looks back.
      I learend my lessons never again
      I wll repeat this.

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    18. I am in grooming academy now and have my first Goldendoodle tomorrow...thanks alot for the great pictures and description of the groom it will help me big time tomorrow :) Mike from Toronto Canada

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    19. Does anyone know a good groomer for goldendoodles in Tallahassee? We have a five-month-old goldendoodle that needs to visit a groomer soon, but I have no idea where to take her and I definitely do not want the "poodle" look. Thanks for any suggestions.

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    20. That looks great! It's hard to find a groomer that can get the doodle look right. I've ended up buying the supplies and doing it myself, which has worked out great.

      If you have more doodle clients, send them to a new social network I've created on www.DoodleKisses.com -- a fun place for them to spread the word about your services as well as just to meet other doodle owners. Have a great day!

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    21. Does anyone know of a good Goldendoodle groomer in Orange County, CA? Mine is 12 weeks.

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    22. Hello, So I am a complete novice, the kind of owner that might not communicate properly with a groomer. The truth is that I love the shaggy look of the un-groomed Goldendoodle. We are picking up our puppy in a couple of weeks and I am planing ahead. Out side of the sanitary area and thinning out his eye area can I leave his coat long and shaggy? My back-ground is with Goldens, this is my first doodle. I have bought an expensive brush that was recommended by the breeder. Can I get away with high quality shampoo/cond and a complete comb through after bath plus a daily brushing?
      Thank you!
      Sasha

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    23. You certainly can leave your Goldendoodle as long and as shaggy as you wish. It will look like something of a sheepdog eventually. That's a cool look.

      How successful you are in maintaining a full coat on a GD depends on your combing skills and the individual nature of the coat. Because it is a combination coat, neither a Golden Retriever flat coat, nor a single layer curly Poodle coat, there is an inherent challenge to coat maintenance of the Goldendoodle. Simply put: it mats up very easily, especially when the adult coat comes in. You know how they say it is a "non-shedding breed"? This means that the loose hair does not fall out, but tends to hang on and tangle up. But if you are good at combing, and are using tools and products that don't break coat (which makes it mat worse), you should be able to succeed.

      I don't know what brush your breeder suggested, but my recommendation (38 years of professional grooming) is the Chris Christensen 16mm T-brush. It is a stiff pin brush that acts as both a comb and brush. The pins are polished for the least trauma to the hair cuticle. I also recommend a wide-tooth Poodle comb. If matting starts to appear, I like the Les Pooch purple brush, or their Mat Zapper.

      Good Luck! I love a shaggy dog...keep us posted on your progress.

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    24. Thank you for the recommendations, I will keep you posted and will look into the brushes. The breeder suggested the Les Pooch green brush, so I did buy it, I hop you agree. We will see how I do and will post a photo when he arrives.
      S

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    25. Your right on about slicker brushes not working well with golden doodle coats. It damages their coat and they get bad mats. Pin brushes FTW (:

      Love your work btw (:

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    26. Great and extremely helpful information!

      Thanks so much for sharing! It is so hard to know what to do on the "designer" dogs, since there is no standard. It is great to have input from someone so knowledgable!

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    27. Great Article and great information. I have an 11 month goldendoodle who I had groomed for the first time 6 weeks ago. She will be groomed again next week. The groomer gave her the "puppy cut" which looks very close to Gracie's cut, but a bit longer. I am definitely taking your article and pictures with me when I go. The reference you provided is awesome. So thanks. I loved the initial cut, but it grew back so fast and with the summer coming I think she needs to be shorter. Her coat is so thick and I need her to stay comfortable and not mattted! Thanks again.
      Madeleine
      Long Island, NY

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    28. I currently own two GD's and am really glad I found this... I really do not want a "poodly" look but think a trim's necessary for the hot summer. Thanks!

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    29. Looking for a referral to a groomer for my schnoodle in the Claremont/Inland Empire, CA area? She's had a number of bad groomings lately, and I'd really appreciate any referral. Thanks!

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    30. I have 2 goldendoodles 1 is a 1 1/2 yrs old and the other is a little over a yr and have only had there haircut 2 times since i bought them. But each time they come back looking like a poodle with a long flowing tail. I will give this article to the groomer who i have used for 20 yrs on all my dogs i have owned, which did include 2 poodles. I love the cute you have given Gracie. Will leaving them a little longer require more trims? or can i maintain the hair better. I do brush them everyday to keep the knots out. But they are very active dogs and seem to wanna knot easy. I would also like to know where i can get that T style pin brush and how much do they cost?

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    31. Hi Debbie, thanks for your comments. And thanks for pointing out that I neglected to include a link to my shopping cart, www.shop.BBird.biz where the t-brush may be purchased. ($25).

      The Doodles that I keep in this style are usually groomed every 4-6 weeks. In order to leave more length, they must be kept combed out. That can be a challenge. It's not so much that they must be kept trimmed, as it is that they must be free of tangles in order to use snap-on combs and leave more length.

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    32. It was extremely interesting for me to read the article. Thanx for it. I like such themes and anything connected to this matter. I would like to read a bit more on that blog soon.

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    33. Hi!

      I'm so glad I found your blog! I have a 10 month old Goldendoodle (F1) who has more of a flat coat. He seems to be double coated with a retriever undercoat and a long wavy coat along his back and sides. His tail is full and his legs have feathery hair similar to a retriever. He does not have a full facial beard similar to most GD's. He is really beautiful, but he sheds TERRIBLY!! His groomer has recently used the Furminator on him and it has not helped at all. I brush him often and always remove a lot of hair. I'm taking him to get groomed in a couple of days and am thinking it's time to clip his hair shorter, but like most, I don't want him to look like a poodle. I think because he really favors a retriever, it will be ok but I'm a little scared that it will drastically alter his appearance. Any advice would be appreciated.

      Also, we are currently living in a condo so our GD's time outside is somewhat limited due to lack of a yard for him to run in. We will be back in our house in a few months and he will have a large yard to run in. I've read that dogs who spend the majority of their time indoors tend to shed more because their bodies don't acclimate to the season/temperature changes. Is that true? Will it get better when he is outdoors more?

      We love our dogs, but his shedding is making me crazy! One of the reasons we chose a GD was because they are typically low to non-shedding. That's not the case with ours, but I want to minimize it if I can. We feed him the best food, and get him groomed often. I don't really know what to do.

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    34. Hi!

      I'm so glad I found your blog! I have a 10 month old Goldendoodle (F1) who has more of a flat coat. He seems to be double coated with a retriever undercoat and a long wavy coat along his back and sides. His tail is full and his legs have feathery hair similar to a retriever. He does not have a full facial beard similar to most GD's. He is really beautiful, but he sheds TERRIBLY!! His groomer has recently used the Furminator on him and it has not helped at all. I brush him often and always remove a lot of hair. I'm taking him to get groomed in a couple of days and am thinking it's time to clip his hair shorter, but like most, I don't want him to look like a poodle. I think because he really favors a retriever, it will be ok but I'm a little scared that it will drastically alter his appearance. Any advice would be appreciated.

      Also, we are currently living in a condo so our GD's time outside is somewhat limited due to lack of a yard for him to run in. We will be back in our house in a few months and he will have a large yard to run in. I've read that dogs who spend the majority of their time indoors tend to shed more because their bodies don't acclimate to the season/temperature changes. Is that true? Will it get better when he is outdoors more?

      We love our dogs, but his shedding is making me crazy! One of the reasons we chose a GD was because they are typically low to non-shedding. That's not the case with ours, but I want to minimize it if I can. We feed him the best food, and get him groomed often. I don't really know what to do.

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    35. Wow - reading these posts make me wish I lived in Tucson. What a wealth of information here - thank you. I live in a small rural community where goldendoodles are few - in fact, mine might be the only one. I've been taking her to a groomer who does a pretty good job but she tends to be brusque and critical with her human customers. As someone who often finds myself thinking that I prefer most dogs to many people, I actually kind of "get" this behavior, but still, she intimidates me to the point where I decided to look for an alternative. I contacted another groomer that a co-worker recommended and thought I'd done everything right in advance - had a consultation and asked if she'd done doodles before, told her precisely what I did and did not want and brought pictures illustrating both.

      I've had my dog home for several hours now and I'm still in shock. When I went to pick her up, I didn't even recognize her. I keep her trimmed but long, and was stunned to see that her entire coat had been clipped to about a half inch. The "shag" on the sides of her face is gone and she now has a silly poodle topknop. Even her beautiful long eyelashes have been cut. Worst of all, there are actually places where the clippers actually nicked and cut her skin, and though she doesn't seem to be in pain, first call in the morning is to the vet. I am unhappy with her appearance, but hair grows - most distressing are the cuts and any potential for problems from her eyelashes being so severely trimmed (do eyelashes grow back?)- thankfully I have a great vet to consult with. But not a great grooming resource - any suggestions for how to get her back to doodle shape as she starts to grow out? And is there any kind of product for her coat that will help stimulate growth? Thank you!

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    36. Oh Carol, I feel your pain. I'm sorry. Can I offer you a hug?

      Was there matting in the coat that required a close clip? I am always dismayed when a groomer agrees to do one thing and then does something else. If I have to change the plan or outcome, I try to contact the client and regroup. It NEVER works for the client to expect one thing and get another.

      Goldendoodles seem to be a breed where there is a greater likelihood of these misunderstandings. This is NOT to excuse what has happened to Carol. But the GD coat can be deceiving. To the owner, it can look just fine, but when the groomer attempts to comb through to the skin - necessary if we are to use use comb guards rather than blades and leave more length - whoops, no go, no way. The coat can be brushed on the outside, but matted at the skin.

      Eyelashes. Pet owners sometimes get attached to them and need to express that clearly. Leaving eyelashes is not the norm. No breeds that I can think of are presented at show with untrimmed eyelashes. I don't know of a dog that has ever been harmed by trimming eyelashes. I once lost a Standard Poodle client because of trimming eyelashes in an unconscious moment. Also lost a cocker for trimming the tail, and I had a Min. Schnauzer were I had to shape the eyebrows, but leave the eyelashes sticking out underneath the brows.

      Unfortunately there is no way to significantly speed up hair growth. It's genetically determined. Feed an optimum diet. Wish I were there to groom for you.

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    37. BB - Thanks for your note and the virtual hug - it helped! Appreciated your comment about eyelashes too - I WAS attached to those beautiful Tammy Fayes, but it was reassuring to know that cutting them is not uncommon grooming procedure. In response to your question about matting, we spend about 6 hours a week - literally - with a CC T-brush and two different sized combs to keep the matting at bay. Her hair had gotten quite long though and was getting difficult to manage (hence the trip for help)- there was some matting on the backs of her legs where I had evidently been less than diligent - but nothing that warranted this cut!

      With the benefit of a couple of days to get used to her new look, plus the fact that she's still the same fantastic dog on the inside :-) I've gotten to the point of seeing some humor in this (she now has a look reminiscent of Falcor from The Never Ending Story, and who doesn't love Falcor?) - but I'm not laughing about the physical damage that was inflicted. After our visit to the vet, it turns out there was more than I'd initially realized - the vet pointed out some nicks around her eyes and genital area and she also had a mild ear infection that the vet thought could have been a result of inadequate drying after bathing. My question now is this: the groomer knew I was unhappy with the results, but she never mentioned that she'd cut my dog (I don't know, honestly, if she even knew). Do I tell her? And if so should I mention the $70 vet bill for ear drops and antibiotics that I paid in addition to her grooming fee? Would you want to know? In her defense, she seems like a kind enough person - her corgis appeared happy and well cared for - and the facility was clean - I just think she had little (if any) experience with doodles and was careless. Any suggestions?

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    38. I've been so scared about getting Lilly our goldendoodle cut because I've seen some of the pictures other dood owners have taken after theyve been to the groomers...
      But I have to say that is a fantastic cut! The best I've seen...EXACTLY what i want for Lilly in the summer! Thanks for doing our lovely goldendoodles justice :)

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    39. There are two sides to the coin. Getting a good Goldendoodle styling depends on find a good stylist. There is a very wide range of skills amongst pet groomers. Not everyone who is willing to take on the physical and emotional demands of grooming has an artistic eye and good scissoring/finishing skills.

      The other side of the coin is that Goldendoodles are often presented to groomers with less than well combed coats that don't offer a lot of options. Dematting is extremely physical work, and not everyone is willing to take it on. If a coat can be combed, a groomer can use a snap-on comb on top of a clipper blade to leave length.

      Combing out a curly, double textured coat is more difficult than most breeders acknowledge. It can take me MONTHS to train a new employee how to achieve a satisfactory comb out. It is not surprising that most Doodle owners fall short. They are working without any coaching or mentoring.

      My favorite dematting products of 2011 are Chris Christensen Spectrum 10 Hypropac conditioning treatment. This thick cream can be dabbed on a dry or wet mat for remarkable release of tangled hair. It works a lot like Cowboy Magic, without the mess. Tools are the Chris Christensen #003 Buttercomb with extra coarse teeth on one end. It's great for picking apart mats. A wooden handled "Poodle" comb with extra coarse, long teeth is also good. The Mars Flexy King brush is great for detangling small areas and getting the little bits of hair that don't comb out. I apply the product, comb, brush, comb, brush, until I have a matted area worked out.

      Hope this helps!!

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    40. I seldom leave comments on blog, but I have been to this post which was recommend by my friend, lots of valuable details, thanks again.

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    41. I have been grooming for 12 years and I agree Doodles are prone to the most miscommunication between groomers and owners. I love the "less is more" look with trimming but less is definatey not more when it comes to maintaining the coat. Many doodle owners think they are thoroughly brushing their dog but may overlook areas or not brush through to the skin and are dismayed when they get their "start over" consult. I tend to like a 1" wahl metal comb on the body when trimming is necessary and the coat is in good condtion, and taking the poof out of the cheek. I think blogs like this get everyone on the same page. You can ask your groomer to trim only the sanitary, feet, and corners of the eyes, just understand that your dog still needs grooming every 4 weeks or so, even if it doesn't look like we did a lot, it prevents any devastating matting from forming beyond saving.

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    42. Frankly, I think that "brushing out" is one of the most misunderstood terms in all of grooming, regardless of breed. Thorough brushing and combing is also the most difficult to teach. EVERYONE thinks they've done a good job. It's hard to get across that a coat is not "brushed out" until you can get a comb through it. It doesn't have to be a fine-toothed comb, a wide "poodle comb" will do.

      I have started using the term "comb out" to help get the point across. I also happily give quickie demos of how to start at the feet at work upwards in layers, first brushing, then combing each two inch layer. I point out troublesome spots, such as flanks and elbows, and show owners how to break up tangles.

      I really don't expect pet owners to be able to master the technique of great comb outs, although occasionally I am pleasantly surprised. It can take me MONTHS to train a person to do acceptable comb outs, I just can't expect a pet owner to be able to learn without any coaching or assistance. They do the best they can.

      Some tools I find helpful: Chris Christensen 16mm T-Brush, a stiff pin brush on a T-shaped handle. Great for everyday brush out. Mars Flexy King brush, a flexible-head, long-toothed slicker on a small frame that is great for breaking apart tangles. Classic Wooden-Handle Poodle Comb, nice fat and wide teeth that goes through thick coat nicely. Chris Christensen Extra Coarse to Medium comb, great for breaking up mats and tangles. All of these tools can be purchased at my shopping cart at www.shop.bbird.biz. Cya!

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    43. Thank you so much for this post! I have an 18 month mini goldendoodle with a VERY curly coat. Here is a picture when he was due for a haircut:

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/emilyfinan/5995405245/in/photostream

      He has gone to a fantastic Petsmart groomer his whole life (and we really lucked out, not only is she skilled, but he LOVES her and loves getting groomed.) I have no complaints, he currently goes in every 4-6 weeks. Only once was he completely matted and he needed to be completely shaved down - that was when we tried to go the whole winter without grooming him, I'm embaressed to even mention it. lately though, our groomer doesn't mention if he is matted or not, I suspect he is a little but she never complains about it.

      I feel like I am letting him down because I never brush him out or give him a baths, but I am not sure how to do it!

      How often should I brush him? Right now I brush him with a slicker brush at least 2 times a month but it sounds like that isn't doing anything.

      How often should I bath him? And should I brush him before or after the bath? (Or both?)

      How can I learn to properly brush him? Right now I do lift up his hair and brush from root to tip with the slicker brush - is it different with the comb you recommended? How much time should I spend a session, right now it takes an hour to brush him out and I'm not sure I can handle doing that every day. (I will do it, but I'm wondering if I brush him with a comb everyday does it have to be that thorough, maybe it will only take 20 minutes if I do it every day.)

      Sorry for all of these questions, I want to do right by this dog. My dog growing up was a Bichon and my mom never brushed that dog - I know my goldendoodle deserves better :)

      Thanks!

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    44. I just read your blog for the first time and I am so impressed. What a talent you seem to have. I have a 22 month old Goldendoodle who after a very bad experince at a groomers now hates to have a brush or comb by her. She becomes very mouthy. Currently I have her coat down to about 1 1/2" but would like to get it back to about 3-4" if she will be better about daily comb-outs. I have the Poodle comb and a Greyhound comb. Stopped using the slicker because the new groomer I am taking her to is againt it for Haley's fur. I will take your advise and get the C.C. 16mm T pin brush.

      With your knowledge can you suggest an idea of how to get her to not be so agitated when brushed/combed? The new groomer claims she is pretty good for her. Does a grooming table help a lot in siuations like this?

      Since she has many years ahead of her I want this to be a good experince for her. Thank you

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    45. What a terrific thread! I have a 10 month old GD. He's a gem. I decided right away (after his nose was completely shaved down to the dark skin beneath) that I would learn and be his groomer. A groomer at Petco, seeing me search the aisles for equipment, took at least an hour to give me some tips ( the do's and don'ts, the "beware of this" and "be careful of that", "this direction" "not that") and even taught me about the basic tools. I know. Lucky. Huh? Then I got on the web and watched you tube videos, read blogs, looked at pictures. And finally, I bought the expensive clipper and magnetic combs. I just ordered the CC 16mm, too, and am thinking about the Les Pooch... My point it this - I started with knowing nothing, but wanting to do the best I could. I am learning. I did a beautiful trim today and am very proud. Plus, my little buddy and I have really bonded over these past eight months. He trusts me. I'm his caregiver. I think I've made it through the transition coat. Oh, is he gorgeous and so wonderful to snuggle next to! I'm still learning (need to trim the eyelashes tomorrow) and will continue to research best grooming practices. It is hard work. But I've learned three important lessons: 1) Buy quality equipment (I have the Wahl 5 speed, great scissors, etc) 2)research and learn, and 3) pride and love comes from hard work.

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    46. Thanks for the nice post. I wish you had not posted anonymously, as I would like to seek your permission to quote you in other of my writings to pet owners who are considering grooming their own dogs. It's great to hear of a success story, and your tips are spot on!

      I have been grooming George and Gracie every month for over six years now. They are among my most favorite dogs to work with.We have continued to keep them somewhat short, but not "shaved". Not everyone likes to groom, nor has the time to maintain a commitment to brushing and combing. I appreciate the commitment of these pet owners to monthly appointments for me to do the work. For those grooming at home, or maintaining coat between professional visits, the one point I would emphasize is the importance of combing. Brushing alone is generally insufficient. I have recently discovered a new brush that works great for gentle detangling. I am calling it the "Knotty Brush", and will have it in my shopping cart soon. www.shop.bbird.biz

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      1. Oh sure- you can quote me. Btw- it's an Andis 5 speed, not a Wahl... that's my husband's! Our pup has a better clipper than my husband. lol. I am taking good care of this Andis clipper... want it to last - even read the directions!!! I love the magnetic clip-ons, too. Lots of flexibility for length, gentle where it matters, and offers a great finished look.

        Thanks for the tip... I may just get one of your knotty brushes, too. I will look at your site for supplies, as I am also looking into the nail grinders among other things. Do you carry the Les Pooch? And would you recommend it? Knowing it has a hefty price tag, I would appreciate the insight before I purchase.

        Thanks for your welcoming spirit.

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    47. Hello,
      This is the look I am learning to do as I learn to groom my goldendoodle on my own. I am wondering if you could give any advice as to how/whether the ears (the outsides) are trimmed, or just left alone. Also, what is the best way to cut around the eyes so that the dog can see? I love the look of Gracie. Thank you for this post.

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    48. I have take my 7 month old doodle grooming into my own hands. I love his look- I just need to keep him trimmed up - eyes, paws, beard, butt... I love his scruffy look and think he looks silly shaved down. I will say that I'm not a fan of his fountain tail lol. I clip that down.

      I got thinning shears, rounded shears and regular shears today- what's the best way to keep his face looking the same but cleaning up the beard and eyes so it's just tidier?

      I want to post a pic if I can ..

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    49. With many thanks to you I've been able to get my 85lb standard doodle to a full length coat. I believe that the pin brush is the key. The day I stopped using a slicker was the day I finally beat the tangles. I started with the T Brush and now use a wooden pin brush. The pin brushes don't damage the hair like a slicker. The wooden pin brush helps distribute the natural oils through the hair, the healthier it is the less it tangles. When ever I do use a slicker(it makes him so fluffy sometimes I can't help myself;) , I find the hair has felted into tiny tangles by the next day. I have several Les Pooch slickers and Chris Christensen Big K and Big G (the Cc are my favorite slickers, I use them on my other dogs cats and rabbits). I built my own recirculating bath and invested in a good high powered dryer. I bathe him every 3 weeks with a good professional conditioner and now I'm down to a necessary once a week brush out, although I tend to brush him more because he loves it we both find it very therapeutic. I also find a good quality fish oil helps a lot to stop his coat getting too coarse which also makes it tangle.
      It's frustrating to see all the doodle forums and sites still recommending the same slicker brushes from tears ago and to see so few doodles that are able to keep tangle and matt free. Ive learned a lot of stuff from reading grooming blogs and forums and visiting grooming expos and it sad to see how much groomers hate grooming doodles these days because they come in so matted. If only everyone would embrace the pin brush!
      Best wishes to you and thank you for your helpful and wonderful blog.

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